Episode 10 - Perception vs Reality of Work/ Life Balance


Joining us today on the fitDEGREE Podcast is Christopher Flores owner of FLO Fitness and the creator of the FLOosophy mindset training. Chris took a leap of faith when starting his studio and hustled his way through every challenge thrown at him.

Chris is here to talk with us about how changing his perception on work life balance really changed his life.

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Host - Dan: Hello to all of our fantastic listeners and welcome back. My name is Dan and I'm your host. Co-hosting with me, as always, is Nick and we think you are really going to like today's show. Joining us is Christopher Flores, owner of FLO Fit and the creator of the FLO-OSOPHY mindset training. Chris took a leap of faith when starting his studio and hustled his way through every challenge thrown at him. Chris is here to talk with us about how changing his perception on work life balance really changed his life. Thanks for joining us today Chris. How you doing man?

Guest - Chris: Doing well, man. Thanks for having me, guys.

Host - Dan: Yeah, of course. So, Chris you know take us back to the beginning. I talked with you before. You told me you had a ton going on all at once and it truly was your hustle that got you to a point where you were stable. But that's when some serious changes had to take place. Tell that to our listeners.

Guest - Chris: Yeah, man. So, like everyone else I started in fitness a long time ago. I actually started at age 15 training people in my parents basement.

Host - Dan: Wow.

Guest - Chris: So, I was like Mr. Muscle of fitness, reading all the magazines and teaching people how to move from ... you look at an Arnold, and Ronnie Coleman, and Jay Cutler, and all these guys and that was my first introduction to exercise and everything else. Played sports and all that fun stuff. 2004 I was certified through W.I.T.S., World Instructor Training Schools and then moved on from there to NASM. Got a job at a gym while I'm going to college for athletic training and graduated in 2008 from college. I always wanted to start my own gym. It was a dream to open up a facility or whatever. So, I did that in 2009, opened up a gym called Flo Fitness in Westfield, New Jersey. It was 800 square feet and it was little former eyeglass store. If you guys remember, I mean you guys are a little bit younger, but 2008 was the big crash.

Host - Dan: Yep, I remember that.

Guest - Chris: So, 2009 was probably the worst time to open especially a gym which is to people a luxury item viewed for most people. So, it was a terrible time to open it to be honest with you. But it was one of those things where you know like say like ignorance is bliss, right? So, I didn't know any better. I wasn't a business major or have any background. I was just like, "This seems cool. I really want to do it." And I just did it and opened and ... this is advice for young people starting a gym, don't open a gym with a cash advance on a credit card. So, I took like $15 grand out on a cash advance on a credit card to start this place and get it rolling. It took me forever to pay that back. Oh my god, it was horrendous. And I wasn't making any money. I was opened up, I had been training at a gym nearby, and I was like, "I can do this on my own. I can do it better." Not realizing the amount of capital and buying equipment and what it would take.

Guest - Chris: I started with that and just bare bones and really tried to make it. TRX is a big inspiration for me because you didn't need any equipment. TRX has really first came out around that time. So, I was like I had like four TRX's, a TRX mount, some weights from my basement that I had, and I was good to go.

Support - Nick: And like Dan was explaining to me before the show this is 2008, 2009. TRX wasn't a thing til ... I thought it was an innovative thing at our college in 2014 maybe. I don't even know when the crazy trend happened. But we were getting it in campus rec centers, which they're normally a couple years behind, but they thought that was big improvement to the gym in 2014, so you're five, six years ahead of this.

Guest - Chris: To take it a step further, and you had asked me earlier about Rooted Rehab, which is something I'm doing for athletic trainers, I started using TRX for rehab in 2009 as well because I was an athletic trainer at a high school so, I was working with my high school students using TRX as a rehab tool.

Support - Nick: Oh, I can imagine. Yeah. And just for our listeners Rooted Rehab is a program or a business inside Flo Fitness that specializes in this rehab for athletes.

Guest - Chris: Yeah. Yep. So, it was crazy man, to do it that early. So, I would consider myself at that point and still to this day actually an early adopter with a lot of stuff in fitness. It was easier for me to get started because I needed less equipment. I wasn't buying press machines or anything, you know?

Support - Nick: Yeah.

Host - Dan: What a money waster.

Guest - Chris: Yeah, you don't realize how much this stuff costs. I don't know if you guys talk to people. But you go to local gym and just stand there and look and I teach at a college too and just when I talk to them about opening a facilities and stuff, dude it's like just in equipment alone you're looking at over 100 grand for a lot of these-

Support - Nick: I talked to my gym owner and he has ... it's a pretty unique setup. You have what I would consider your Globo gym setup in the front. Your cardio equipment, your machines stacked for every single body part, and then it moves towards a dumbbell area with benches and squats and then he has a backroom which is more like your CrossFit functional fitness area. He said he took out bank loan for $500,000 to get it started. And it came up because he was thinking about opening a second location. He's like, "But then I need to go the bank and get another $500,000." And I was like, "$500,000 single dollars? Like that's all you need?" He's like, "Yeah, it's just the upfront." I was like, "Holy cow."

Guest - Chris: It's insane. Yeah, and I did it in less than 20 grand.

Support - Nick: That is a feat and I think that's where a lot these studios are popping up with, you know you just said the TRX, the dumb bells. I'm sure you have some bar bells. You don't need as many plates. You introduce a leg press, everyone wants to do a thousand pounds. It's a thousand pounds in plates. That's a lot of money too.

Guest - Chris: Oh, hell yeah. All that stuff and I think that's what's sparked me into working with the company Animal Flow. When I discovered them, it must have been 2000 ... I think now 2012 or something, when I started doing Animal FLow-

Support - Nick: Another early adopter. That's something I haven't gotten into but I've seen a lot of people get into and get a lot of great results.

Guest - Chris: Oh, it's insane and the best part of it, it was all body weight. So, for someone who has limited [crosstalk 00:06:35] and doesn't have much going on and doesn't ... I didn't really dive into the yoga stuff at that point, I wasn't really big into that. I wanted something that was little bit cooler and when I saw Animal Flow I'm like, "This is what I need. I need this in my gym because, this I can teach people to do and I don't need equipment and I can just use the floor." So, you learn to be creative when you have a smaller space. It almost forces the creativity out of you to what you can do as a fitness professional. So, that's how I got the place started and it's been a long journey ever since then.

Support - Nick: Now that you have more money are you still leveraging the TRX and the Animal Flow as your big hits or were you able to bring in some more equipment and do other things?

Guest - Chris: I have since brought in more equipment but honestly we've moved into ... I would say our facility, when people ask what we do, because it's so ... I wouldn't say it's outrageous like people have a hard time explaining it. But I just tell them it's movement first. We focus so much on movement all the tools we use now are just movement based stuff, where it might be a TRX and maybe using a Rip Trainer from TRX and maybe using just bands. I use a lot of stuff with Mini Bands.

Support - Nick: Right. That's a lot of my warm-up. Right, 30 to 45 minutes before I even touch a barbell is just a lot of band resistance.

Guest - Chris: Yeah, it's so important to do a lot of that stuff. So, we use a ton of body weight. We use a steel mace. We use Indian pins. We use this thing called AB-EZE, which is similar to a TRX, but it's just a single thing where you can put your hips in. It's kind of a waist band that's suspended.

Support - Nick: Okay.

Guest - Chris: We use it and the skip mobility has been a big thing in our practice as well. So, that's really what we've ... we're like the movement mobility people now and not so much the weight lifting and rah-rah beat people up kind of place.

Support - Nick: For sure. I'm assuming you've built up this customer base. You said in 2008 you started. So, I'm sure you've built up a loyal customer base. How often do you change up the type of training you do or have you kind of cemented over the last couple of years, "Hey, this is what you're going to expect when you come to Flo Fitness." Or is it like, "Hey guys new month. I just found this new thing we're going to try it."

Guest - Chris: A little bit of everything. This is I think would be great advice for people just starting out who want to open a facility, what we create our place is we eventually got to the point where we created a system to our training. So, this is blueprint on to how each one of our sessions run. So, we have a warm-up that we do all semi-private because our place is all small group training.

Support - Nick: Right. That's a popular thing that I think will stick around. The one on one privates got too weird because it's one on one. It's you versus the trainer. It's too much money. The group classes aren't personal enough and I think that, I'm assuming it's two to four people or maybe eight? I know it's like what, every four people you have one trainer is usually good practice?

Guest - Chris: Well, for my place we cap it at eight people to one trainer. And so the way it works is we have our warm-up which is done as a group. So, everyone does the warm-up together, which is our activation which we focus on hip, shoulder, and core. Then we have a dynamic warm-up which is like movement integration. And we do that first. So, that lasts about 10 to 15 minutes for the warm-up. Most people at that point it's so much movement that they haven't done before, they're like "Oh, that was a warm-up?" They're shot and exhausted already. And it's like, "No, we just warmed up." Then after that each person has their own actual ... I do actual folders still. I'm old school. I write handwritten workouts in their folder.

Support - Nick: Wow. Yeah.

Guest - Chris: Each person has a folder and in their folder they have two or three programs. So they have like an A, B, and C or they have an A and B. So, let's say they're doing their A day, it's going to be one block of three exercises. So, it may be let's say it's like a kettlebell goblet squat, a TRX W, and then some kind of core exercise like sidekick through from Animal Flow. They'll do that four times and then they'll go onto their second block which would be a single leg exercise, a single arm upper body exercise, and then a rotational exercise. Then they do that for three rounds. By the time they're done with that the hour's up.

Guest - Chris: That's the system we design to ... everything goes through system. So every single person trains though that system. Now, what we plug into there is 100% up to us. So, let's say, when I first got the steel maces those are great for anti-rotational training, or any kind of rotational stuff so, a lot of people's programs started implementing the steel mace into it. For basic stuff it can be in the single leg RVL while holding a steel mace. So, when someone's been doing it with a kettlebell, barbell, now all of sudden it's an offset weight, a steel mace to them it's something new but it's essentially the same exercise just a different tool in their hands. So it keeps the clients interested. I've had client's already for over ten years because they've been training ... they're like, "It keeps changing." So, to them they're always doing something new. To me it's the same old stuff just different tools I'm using.

Guest - Chris: That's the way our place works with that system and the reason why that's so important is because when I first opened up I had four trainers with me, that I mentored and I brought them on board and taught them a lot of stuff and then they kind of went in their own rabbit hole. One got into power lifting. The other one got into yoga and Pilates. And the other one stood with me and the way I was growing. And what happened was the yoga and Pilates girl she got a big clientele. Then she left to go work at some place and left. Some of her people stood but they we're like, "I want to do the yoga, Pilates stuff." And I'm like, "That's not how we train. She was doing that herself." So, they wound up leaving with her and then for a small business you lose six people that's a lot of your business. [crosstalk 00:12:30]. So, I realized that I had to create a system where if you want to work for Flo Fitness you train under our system. You don't make up your own training throughout there. So that was so important to create that system because now they become a client of the place and not the client of the person. And that was a huge lesson I learned early on.

Support - Nick: That is a very good lesson. One thing we've seen in the industry is people follow the instructor. That happens in yoga. I noticed it a lot in CrossFit. What you just explained was you're kind of eliminating that dynamic of the gym. You're coming for the system in place that you've created instead of the individual instructor. Which makes it also an advantage because if I can't make it at my certain time I'm not missing out my instructor, that isn't as significant if I can't go when my instructor's teaching.

Guest - Chris: Exactly. 100%. Because the point of starting a business ... like I just came back from Florida for a week while visiting my parents and all my client's still worked out. They all still trained. They're all fine when I got back.

Support - Nick: That's beautiful.

Guest - Chris: So, you get to walk away from the business. If you're this person who has to do everything then you're stuck there all the time. You can't ever leave. But if you create a system where, like McDonald's, you know someone just runs the system, it's not really that there's special individual stuff for each person and yeah, everyone's great and all that stuff. So, personalities are going bond and form friendships and things of that nature but at the end of the day, the actual training itself is a system so that's what the persons buying into, not necessarily be the trainer.

Support - Nick: That was a great segue into you're not working in your business, you're working on your business and it sounds like that probably created a lot of work-life balance for you. That you didn't have to be as ingrained. You were able to go away for a week, still make your money, still keep your clients happy. You come back refreshed, rejuvenated, and you're ready to jump back in.

Guest - Chris: Yeah, man the work-life balance thing for me and going back to my originals ... I guess my original story when I had spoken to Dan on the phone was everyone preaches the six figure salary thing and people are so obsessed with it. It's at this point comical. "Open a six figure gym. I make six figures and be a six figure trainer." And all this and everyone can do that.

Support - Nick: Buzz, buzz, buzz.

Guest - Chris: It's crazy because I was at the point where I had six jobs actually. And I was making my last year working the sixth job because I think I had at the end of the year it was like $145,000 I had made. It was like, to the outside world I was doing really well. Like, "Oh my god, look at him he's everywhere. He's hustling. He's doing all this."

Host - Dan: And you're just miserable.

Guest - Chris: You know what? I wouldn't say I was miserable but I was anxious all the time. I was single. I was making a lot of money. I was in and out dating, going crazy. But I felt like at the end of the day you sit down and you breathe and it's just you. It's you fucking watching Netflix by yourself and you're like, "This kind of sucks, man." What is all this work for? "What am I even chasing? Who even gives a shit that I make this type of money?" As the money was coming in I wasn't enjoying any part of it because I was so busy trying to make it and hustle it and say yes to everything. Every opportunity, "Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do that." I felt like I was just treading water, man. And the water was just getting deeper. I was still in the same spot.

Guest - Chris: So, I decided to leave my main job, which was out at the high school full time as an athletic trainer. So, I left that job to pursue other things and hopefully get more travel and work more with the Animal Flow company. And so, I just sat back and reading more and more books and just learning, listening to older people too, older people who've been through it. I think we tend to when older people speak we go, "Yeah, that makes sense." But then we go back to the same old stuff we were doing before. But it made so much sense. At the end of the day what do you really have? You have your family. You have your close friends. You'll have material stuff. No one cares if you have a 2018 Benz. In 15 years no one's going to give a crap. Right?

Support - Nick: Yeah.

Guest - Chris: So, all this material stuff we're chasing and I learned that like, "All right cool. Well, let me sit back and see what's really important, reassess, and then just start focusing on those things." So, I started creating schedules for myself and just ways of mapping out my day or actually planning my day so I was a little bit more balanced and it was that thing knowing you're looking for center, knowing you're never going to hit it.

Host - Dan: I think that's big. That's big. Knowing that perfect doesn't exist. This is the goal but you can't beat up on yourself if you don't reach perfect. Perfect is an absolute.

Guest - Chris: Exactly. And that's like we were talking about before, I compare ... I call it more of a wave and I think of it more like a heartbeat. It's going to go up, it's going to come down. Once you flatline you're dead, right?

Host - Dan: Yeah.

Guest - Chris: [crosstalk 00:17:31] done. So, you need to have those ups and downs because that's what creates the joy of life. It's like, you need to be down in the dumps to be able to enjoy the highs. But as you're going through each, you're kind of just riding this wave out and people want to be high all the time. And they're like, "Yeah, my life's awesome." Like that person who's always, "This is great. Everything's great. Everything's ..." That person has some serious issues, man.

Support - Nick: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And I kind of uncontrollably laugh because, not that this is funny, but there's a guy at the rec center ... when I worked in college I worked at the rec center and that kind of got one of our businesses off the ground because we were working that space. There's one kid there. His name was Rob. I always thought Rob was full of joy, happiest guy ever. I was like you at that one point, I was like two years, complete solitude. Only cared about my degree and fitDEGREE taking off. I isolated myself from friends and I looked at that guy and I was like, "What is this worth? Like, I'm working so hard. At the end of the night it's just me." This guy, I walk into work, Rob is the happiest person I've ever seen. Go to find out he's like depressed, miserable, dropped out of grad school after he left our school. Just complete wreck and I was like, "Wow." That really opened my eyes to like, "Wow, someone's always happy. Like something is wrong."

Guest - Chris: Well, I'll tell you what. This was the big thing in my career. I was privy to meet a lot of big wigs in the fitness industry early on because my best friend is working with TRX. So, she took me under her wing to mentor me and so I was in these huge conferences with top presenters and these gurus at cocktail parties with them and I'm sitting there listening and some of the biggest names, like you would think they have it all figured out. This person and you see them on a cover of this, and you see them over here doing this in their business, and their numbers are here. Then you get to hang out with them and you're like, "This persons a piece of crap."

Support - Nick: Yeah, yeah.

Guest - Chris: That's a façade, man. This persons really sold us on this nonsense. So, I was lucky to see that early and recognize it and be like, "Damn, I don't want to be that person who makes it and then people find out I'm a douche bag." And then they be like, "Ah no, that kid made it but look who he really is." You know what I mean?

Support - Nick: No. You're 100% right. There's another thing I'm sure you've heard because he's right around your area, is Gary Vaynerchuk. He always talks about ... this isn't exactly his part but, you know money doesn't buy you happiness. You create your own happiness, money can certainly support your happiness if you've created it yourself. But he's also said like, "You work as hard as you want to be." So, as long as you're happy it doesn't matter how much money you make. It doesn't matter if you make $60,000, $80,000, $120,000, $250,000, a million dollars, if you're not happy with your life, like what are you trying to do? You're trying to show off for people that you don't care about. You're going to turn into someone that you don't want to be and you're better off just making the income that's going to make you happy and balanced in your life. And if you want to be a workaholic go fucking be it. But if you're not happy with that and you don't want to be that kind of person that you were just looking up to well change your direction real fast.

Guest - Chris: Yeah, man. That's so true. They did research and they said ... I mean in our society I think the numbers like after 60 grand and they said that's just because it covers your basic needs, your food, your shelter, and stuff like that. After that, happiness is really up to you.

Host - Dan: With comfort, you know you're not worrying.

Support - Nick: Yes. That makes a lot of sense.

Guest - Chris: If you're starving, yeah you're not going to be happy in front of starving, you can't afford to eat. Even if you're happy you're still going to be like, "Damn, I'm really hungry though." But once your basic needs are met the rest is really up to you. Everything else is just extra shit.

Support - Nick: Yeah. The disposable shit. How many times people buy stuff they don't need for people they don't like.

Guest - Chris: Exactly. 100%.

Support - Nick: So one thing you did was it sounded like you kind of did a time audit to make sure you were putting your energy where you want to. What were some other things you did to create a better work-life balance?

Guest - Chris: Yeah, so that's when the whole FLO-OSOPHY thing came to me was setting up a daily planner. So, the first thing, the big thing is like even when I mentor people or work with them it's "What does your day look like?" My friend once told me like, "Your day is your life in minature." What is your morning? What is your afternoon? How do you plan your day, map your day out? Then once you look at someone's day, then you can find the time wasters. That was a huge one for me is finding what people waste time on because someone can say like, "Oh, I don't have time to read." But then you notice that they're-

Host - Dan: Wasting time.

Guest - Chris: ... listening to the same five songs on the radio all the time. Why not do an audiobook in that time instead of listening to music? Something as simple as that can change your life because now they're being fed more information rather than the same old garbage all the time. Or they'll sit down and watch an entire series on Netflix, which isn't bad but if you're doing that every night or every weekend you're watching the same stuff over and over you're literally programing your brain to just consume this stuff and you're not creating anything. I always tell people you're either a creator or a consumer.

Support - Nick: Good one.

Guest - Chris: And we're both for many things. But like you guys right now you're creating content with this podcast hoping other people consume it but at the same token you probably consume other stuff that you're like, that may help you with your podcast or it may help you with your workouts and things like that. So everyone's always either creating or consuming and now people have become so passive that they're just consuming and they're not creating anything. So, they have nothing to hang their hat on at the end of the day. So, trying to teach people to start creating, to put content out there, start a blog, start a podcast, just do something that's just not you consuming other people's stuff because then you become that person.

Support - Nick: Right and two points of that, well, one isn't really a point on that, but taking a step back, Chris also has for our listeners a revenue stream that is mindset coaching, right? So that's completely separate from the working out. That is someone signing up for the FLO-OSOPHY Program.

Guest - Chris: Yeah.

Support - Nick: I find that really cool because I think, I personally found my work ethic through fitness.

Guest - Chris: Right.

Support - Nick: I left high school. No real big ambitions. Went to college to study math because my mom wanted me to be an actuary. Didn't do anything my freshman year that was off the charts. Then I started working out. Like always went to the gym but I took it really seriously between my freshman and sophomore year, that summer. I was like casually just gaining weight til I just lift more weights, not thinking anything of it. I was up to 190 pounds at 5'8" and that summer I cut down to 160. The only reason I did that was because I had weight to lose, it wasn't significant. But I just tracked everything I ate, made sure every workout was with purpose, there wasn't any wasted minutes in the gym. I was working a 7:00 AM to 3:30 PM labor job over the summer for a friend's dad. It just really taught me work ethic, and I was like, "If I could lose 35, 40 pounds like that, I can do anything if I just hack away at it."

Support - Nick: So, I think that's really cool that you offer that inside the gym because I think a lot of people start to find purpose when they notice that when they go to gym for six weeks they feel better. They look better. They look better so maybe that makes them feel better but also the right hormones are going on in their body. They're not going to consume as much junk food because they want that to pay off in the gym. So, they start thinking more clearly and now you're right here to keep that momentum going.

Guest - Chris: Yeah. Let me ask you a question on that? Was it very fun to do that stuff, to track it and do all that stuff or was it kind of boring and methodical?

Support - Nick: No. I will say that summer it was fun because it was new. It was systemizing. It was a whole part of my brain I never tapped into.

Guest - Chris: Right.

Support - Nick: Then after I lost it and I maintained it for about a year it was work and it was boring.

Guest - Chris: And that's what I tell people because they don't realize success is very boring.

Support - Nick: Yes.

Guest - Chris: You make a plan and you're like this is the new direction I'm going to go in. Then you start taking the steps and one step leads to the next and you take the next step and the next step and then you make it. Then you're like. "Oh, that was it?"

Support - Nick: That was it, yeah.

Guest - Chris: I think you create these crazy goals like, "That can never happen." And, yeah it could. You just start taking the steps. One of my big things three, well two and half years ago, was to do a handstand.

Support - Nick: Oh, that's cool.

Guest - Chris: Though it was all these steps to learn how to do a handstand and it took two and a half years. It took a long freaking time and it was really fun at the beginning and now that I'm working on it and just working on the small details of it, it's not as fun. I'm not going to lie. It's like, "Eh." It looks cool to everyone else, to the outside world, but to you, you know it looks like once you figure out the tricks of a magician it's not as fun anymore.

Host - Dan: It's now new anymore.

Guest - Chris: Exactly.

Host - Dan: I don't care who you are. I don't care what you say. New things are interesting. New things are fun. You enter a new relationship. You start a new workout program. You start playing a new sport. You started a new job. I bet you nobody shows up to their brand new job and thinks I'm not going to shave today, I'm not going to do my hair. Four years on the job you go, you still look nice but you're not expected to do that every day. I can tell you personally, the first day of the semester you bet your ass I went home and did all my homework. First week? You know what around midterms time I knew what I could get away with and I knew what I couldn't. That newness is intoxicating to us.

Guest - Chris: Yeah and that's why it's important with the work-life balance, one of the things we always talk about too is like I always work on people with their hobbies. What do you enjoy doing?

Host - Dan: That's huge.

Support - Nick: Oh yeah, we just had a big conversation like that inside the office.

Guest - Chris: Yeah. I used to teach salsa lessons for six years. I still enjoy doing it. Every once in a while I'm like, "I'm going to look for a Latin night somewhere and just go dance." You need to feed that part of you that's "Ah, this is cool, man. I miss that." You need that those highs because if not you're going to be completely bored and you're going be that uber successful person with no friends. And you don't want to be that guy. That person's depressed to no end. Then you need to buy friends and that's even worse.

Support - Nick: Yeah, no you're right. It was funny because we were talking about that work-life, not even the work-life balance, but doing something fun for yourself.

Host - Dan: Specifically that.

Support - Nick: What do you do for fun? And yeah, it was exactly that. We were going back and forth on what we clarify as fun. I was like, "Oh, well one thing I do ..." because I know that I'm terrible at it and I'm like, "Oh, one thing I find fun is watching sports." Like I really enjoy watching playoff sports. So, if you're a football fan this past weekend was the, not the divisional round, I don't know what they call it, the wildcard round and I like these two weekends dude my whole weekend is just that. Four o'clock on Saturday to eight o'clock on Sunday, I am on the couch watching football.

Support - Nick: So, my girlfriend comes home from work and it's like fourth quarter of the Eagles game. Fourth quarter just started, the last game. And she goes, "Okay, so what do you want to do?" I'm like, "Yeah, no. I'm watching the game." And she's just like, "No, you've been watching it all day. And yesterday." I'm like, "Yeah, I know and it's almost over." And she's like, "I don't want to watch this." And I'm like, "I don't know what to tell you." This is so far beyond you, this is such me time. And it was more than just football. Like you just said, it was my fun. It was like I feel better watching this. And I will be a better person if I watch this. But I look forward to these two weekends a year and I want to watch it.

Guest - Chris: Yeah and that's important that you stand your ground because a lot of people especially in relationships and that's one of the things inevitably I wind up mentoring someone in their actual relationships. It always comes down to that for some reason. And that's a problem.

Support - Nick: It's a huge high or low.

Guest - Chris: Yes, especially if someone's married or something and it turns into like they don't stand their ground and do the things that they enjoy and they wind up becoming something for that other person. They're trying to be someone they're not to please that other person. But the other person actually fell in love with them initially because of who they originally were.

Host - Dan: You're right.

Guest - Chris: You have this like everyone's chasing their tails and heading the wrong direction and wondering why it's not working. Well, you just got to be yourself and then the person will love you for who you are and they'll want to be with you once you find your own confidence.

Host - Dan: So, Chris this FLO-OSOPHY is that your online training as well?

Guest - Chris: Yeah, that's my online coaching stuff. So, I do that remotely just because it's a lot easier that way. That was basically a supplemental thing especially when my son was first born. He's 10 months now. But when he was first born-

Host - Dan: Congratulations.

Guest - Chris: Thank you man. Thank you. It was a way to get people like all right I can't really be at the gym now, I got my people training people, what can I do to kind of supplement some income where I don't have to be physically at the gym?

Host - Dan: Right. So, if people want to get involved with the FLO-OSOPHY, if they want to reach out to you regardless of where they are, where can they find more information on that and how can they reach out to you?

Guest - Chris: It's floosophy.com or they can email floosophy@gmail.com.

Host - Dan: And that is F-L-O-O-S-O-P-H-Y, FLO-OSOPHY.

Guest - Chris: Yep.

Host - Dan: Chris, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show today. I think that was one of most relatable and valuable episodes we've recorded to date. Before we end the recording do you have any words for all of our listeners?

Guest - Chris: I wouldn't say any specific words. I had a personal quote I wrote a long time ago which I always share with people is that, you have to go against the current in order to ride the waves.

Host - Dan: I like that.

Guest - Chris: And I think that so many people that the journey to get there is tough, man. It's a lot of work and you'll get to a certain part and then you'll coast for little bit. I don't know if you guys remember Lupe Fiasco had that song, that Kick, Push?

Host - Dan: Yep.

Guest - Chris: I feel like it's a lot of kicking and pushing but you've got to know when to coast. I think everyone's kicking and pushing and kicking and pushing and kicking and pushing but they never get to ride the wave. They don't enjoy it. So, it's like you have to yes, work hard, struggle and grind but also know when to take that moment to just enjoy and just be. And when you can get those two to kind of work together and be able to recognize them, I think you'll find that work-life balance and you'll be a little bit, a lot more, you'll be happier, basically.

Support - Nick: Awesome.

Host - Dan: Well that's fantastic. Thank you so much, Chris.

Guest - Chris: No problem guys. Thank you.

Host - Dan: Have a good week. I'll talk to you.

Guest - Chris: Sounds good. Talk to you guys later.

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